Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/03/1997 03:30 PM Senate RES

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        SB   7 HUNTING SPORT FISH TRAPPING FEES/LICENSES                      
                                                                              
 CHAIRMAN HALFORD  announced  SB 7  to be up for consideration.                
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY,  Sponsor, said SB 7 is an attempt to bring our               
 sportfishing fees more in line with national averages, to create              
 some additional options in non-resident sportfish fees, and to no             
 longer offer a sportfish license for non-residents that's for an              
 entire year.  The primary reason behind that is because some people           
 are abusing our annual non-resident sportfish licenses.  It has               
 become somewhat of a serious problem in that a person can camp out            
 in Alaska throughout the fishing season and sport harvest fish and            
 then sell those fish when they go home.  This is not a wide-spread            
 problem, but was the subject of a series of newspaper reports                 
 regarding abuses on the Kenai Peninsula.                                      
                                                                               
 The longest license a non-resident could purchase under this                  
 legislation would be 14 days instead of the current annual license.           
 Additionally, it gives a slight cut to residents who chose to buy             
 combination hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses.  Current fee             
 structure offers no discount at all for a combination license.                
                                                                               
 Section 5 is a technical section which adds back something that was           
 deleted in another section.  He said the bill before the committee            
 has a provision that was requested by ADF&G that allows an                    
 intermediate license for people who had been here for six months,             
 but the Enforcement Division said it would be difficult to enforce.           
 So he has a CS that takes it out again.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 565                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  moved to adopt the CS to SB 7.  There were no                
 objections and it was so ordered.                                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked regarding section 5 that if you buy a tag for         
 a bear and change your mind, can you go for a bison or something              
 else instead.  SENATOR DONELY replied that was right and that is              
 currently in law also.                                                        
                                                                               
  KEVIN DELANEY,  Director, Division of Sport Fish, said the fee               
 structure for licensing sport fishermen in Alaska has a history of            
 stability with the last significant change in 1992.                           
                                                                               
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 Licenses, particularly sales to non-residents, over the past decade           
 have increased steadily.  Money received from the sale of sport               
 fishing licenses is deposited into the State's Fish and Game                  
 account, a constitutionally dedicated fund, which can only be                 
 expended for projects that provide benefits primarily for sport               
 fishermen.                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. DELANEY said that adopting of SB 7 would result in a                      
 substantially larger contribution to the State's Fish and Game fund           
 on an annual basis due specifically to the increase in the non-               
 resident sport fishing licenses and tags.  He cautioned that their            
 ability to model a market reaction to significant changes in sport            
 fish license fees is very limited.  Other states have increased               
 these fees and it has resulted in, at least, a temporary decrease             
 in total sales.  Non-resident fees comprise about 75% of the total            
 annual income from license sales across the State while non-                  
 resident sport fishing effort is only about 35% of the total angler           
 days expended in the State.                                                   
                                                                               
 Our sport fish program is unique because participation in the sport           
 fisheries in the State is paralleled with increased sales of                  
 licenses and also with increased federal aid funds that come into             
 the program.  There are excise taxes on fishing equipment that are            
 generated at the manufacturer level and parcelled out to the                  
 states, he explained.  That has allowed them to roughly keep pace             
 with the increases in participation.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 535                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. DELANEY  said the Board of Fisheries has agreed to put out a             
 call for proposals to create seasonal limits for non-residents                
 across the State through their next cycle.  They have found that              
 for both residents and non-residents about 3% harvest about 20 -              
 25% of the total harvest of salmon and halibut.  A small segment of           
 both the resident and non-resident population takes large numbers             
 of fish.  The challenge is to affect the behavior of that 3% and              
 reduce their exploitation of fish and not create something that's             
 onerous to the other 97%.  Their recommendation (ADF&G and Fish and           
 Wildlife Protection) is to adopt seasonal limits which would create           
 a backdrop of regulation that would not affect the preponderance of           
 non-residents who come to Alaska to fish.  Another thing they have            
 done on a regulatory level since they last saw this issue is to add           
 intent to sell or barter sport fish to the prohibitive language.              
 Fish that are in transit, then, in commercial quantities would be             
 subject to this regulation.                                                   
                                                                               
 He said ADF&G has worked together with Fish and Wildlife Protection           
 and in the FY 98 Governor's budget, under Division of Sport Fish,             
 requests funding for an enforcement demonstration project.  This              
 will be the first time ever they have made Fish and Game funds                
 available through a contract RSA with Fish and Wildlife Enforcement           
 to work on specific sport fish issues that they jointly designate.            
 He said the very first place the enforcement officers will be                 
 utilized is on the Kenai Peninsula to look into the illegal sale of           
 sport caught sockeye salmon.                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. DELANEY said he could see little else that can be done in                 
 statute that can address this until they see the results of their             
 efforts.  They do think the addition of a seven-day license for               
 non-residents would be beneficial, but for the non-resident annual            
 license they suggest rather than eliminating it, to price it at               
 approximately two and a half times the 14-day license.  He said               
 that most of our fishing seasons for salmon are less than a month             
 long except for Southeast where it is a marine fishery.  He agreed            
 with Senator Donley that people who come up here and spend extended           
 periods of time participating in our sport fisheries get one heck             
 of a bargain.  He did not think they would be affected at all by              
 making an additional contribution.  He said two and a half times              
 works out to about $75.  This would also address the issue of the             
 new people who come to the State and intend to become residents and           
 a number who come up seasonally.                                              
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  asked Senator Donley if he considered raising the             
 one-day license fee which would still be a bargain for sport                  
 fishermen especially in light of the new information about Canada's           
 bag limits.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 478                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  announced at 4:37 p.m. that he was going to                
 another meeting and Vice Chairman Green would chair the meeting               
 now.  He added that he thought Senator Donley was going in the                
 right direction.                                                              
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONELY  said he thought if they were going to increase the           
 one-day fee, it might be a good idea to just eliminate it because             
 currently we charge only $15 for a three-day license and he                   
 proposes to raise that to $20 which is pretty insignificant to an             
 individual.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  asked how we compare with other states for one-day            
 licenses.   KAR  EN   BRAND , staff to Senator Donley, replied that th        
 found that every state has a different set-up and it was impossible           
 to make a comparison.  She said they had the same difficulty trying           
 to compare with Canada.                                                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  said he thought it would be very difficult to enforce         
 a seasonal limit.  MR. BROOKS responded that nothing works without            
 enforcement on the ground.  However, he pointed out that 90% of the           
 people do go along with well-reasoned regulations.  Ones who aren't           
 inclined to do that are only going to respond to enforcement                  
 activities in the field.  He explained that they would furnish                
 people who are going to fish in fisheries subject to a seasonal               
 limit a harvest record card on which they are required to record              
 time, place, date, and species in ink immediately upon landing and            
 killing that fish. If they don't, they are subject to the fine.  He           
 said they have had relatively good luck with that regulation.  He             
 noted that it helps that most are short seasons of 10 days to three           
 weeks.                                                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR  remarked that if the Board is seriously talking              
 about changing seasonal bag limits, he hoped they would call                  
 Deborah Lyons and Bob Penny and talk to them about it, because he             
 saw Ms. Lyons thrown of the Board of Fish for even bringing that              
 subject up on the Kenai River.  He personally doubted that the                
 Board would have the courage to do it, but hoped they would.                  
                                                                               
 He was concerned that they are attacking every non-resident coming            
 into the State for the bad acts of what may be a few.  He gave an             
 example of a son and wife coming up to visit their resident parents           
 and having to pay $240 for two weeks of fishing and maybe not being           
 able to fish most of those days because of bad weather.  He thought           
 we might be reaching a point in the economics of these things where           
 people say why are we wasting our time here where for $235 I can              
 get an airplane fare out of Seattle, three nights lodging in                  
 British Columbia, and I can catch four king salmon a day in British           
 Columbia, but only one in Southeast Alaska.                                   
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN GREEN  asked in the past did they get feedback from            
 visitor groups who were worried the fees would be a detriment to              
 visiting.  SENATOR DONELY replied that there was a limited amount             
 of that and there have been adjustments made in the non-resident              
 hunting where there was most concern.                                         
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if the Alaska Sports Fishing Association is           
 supporting this.  MS. BRAND replied yes.  SENATOR LINCOLN wanted              
 clarification on how the military would be treated as a resident or           
 non-resident.  SENATOR DONLEY replied that this does not change               
 treatment of the military which was an annual king salmon tag of              
 $20 with their annual license being less than the non-resident.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN asked what percentage of the fees we get now are              
 from the military versus the non-resident/non-military.  MR. BROOKS           
 said it was a fairly small percentage and he wasn't sure if they              
 were lumped in with the non-residents.                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN wanted clarification on the fiscal notes.  The one            
 from Public Safety is $0 impact and yet the analysis says the bill            
 will impact the department's enforcement programs.  She also wanted           
 to know about the Division of Wildlife Conservation expecting                 
 $140,000 annual loss in revenues.  Her third concern was the                  
 Division of Sport Fisheries anticipating an increased revenue of              
 $1.5 million for the first year.  MR. BROOKS replied that the                 
 legislation proposes to reduce the combo licenses.  It's their                
 estimate that the $5 decrease in the combo license would result in            
 the loss from the Division of Wildlife.  The increase for Division            
 of Sport Fish is very difficult to quantify.                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN said she didn't think that the proposed increases             
 were out of line.  About Senator Taylor's concern with buying a two           
 week license and not being able to use it because of bad weather              
 she thought wasn't that serious because if there was bad weather,             
 a person could buy a one day license for $10.                                 
                                                                               
  MR. BROOKS  said the original SB 7 makes a provision for a non-              
 resident who's been here the preceding six consecutive months and             
 maintained a permanent place of abode in the State to get a non-              
 resident license that's good for the remainder of the year.  The              
 reason for that was that they would have to spend some time to                
 research whether, in fact, people had been here six months.  They             
 don't anticipate any additional man power to do that, because they            
 will leave something else undone.                                             
                                                                               
 MR. BROOKS said other states that don't have the opportunities we             
 have, have made significant changes in their license fees.  The               
 results have been everything from very favorable to very                      
 unfavorable.  There is a lot at stake, but it is hard to project              
 the effects in the marketplace.  He is cautious because we have a             
 very good program today.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 178                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  moved to pass CSSB 7 from committee with individual           
 recommendations with the new fiscal notes.  There were no                     
 objections and it was so ordered.                                             

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